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	<title>Comments on: Google&#8217;s (Hi-Speed Internet) Fiber Optic Trial in Corvallis</title>
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		<title>By: Katherine Cleland</title>
		<link>http://www.welovecorvallis.com/2010/02/googles-hi-speed-internet-fiber-optic-trial-in-corvallis/comment-page-1/#comment-1045</link>
		<dc:creator>Katherine Cleland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 23:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best Economic Development plan we&#039;ve got is the Prosperity that Fits plan, http://www.prosperitythatfits.us/
which encompasses the actions of the city, county, chamber coalition, LBCC, OSu and more.  The city has played a major role in that...I&#039;d have to re-read it to see where it would come out on something like fiber for the city...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best Economic Development plan we&#8217;ve got is the Prosperity that Fits plan, <a href="http://www.prosperitythatfits.us/" rel="nofollow">http://www.prosperitythatfits.us/</a><br />
which encompasses the actions of the city, county, chamber coalition, LBCC, OSu and more.  The city has played a major role in that&#8230;I&#8217;d have to re-read it to see where it would come out on something like fiber for the city&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Loyan</title>
		<link>http://www.welovecorvallis.com/2010/02/googles-hi-speed-internet-fiber-optic-trial-in-corvallis/comment-page-1/#comment-1041</link>
		<dc:creator>Loyan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 17:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have talked my way out of changing about 98% of my 2nd daughter&#039;s diapers. I&#039;m still not sure if I feel proud or ashamed of that accomplishment(?). 

I wonder how the city feels about theirs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have talked my way out of changing about 98% of my 2nd daughter&#8217;s diapers. I&#8217;m still not sure if I feel proud or ashamed of that accomplishment(?). </p>
<p>I wonder how the city feels about theirs.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you ever heard someone talk themselves out of something and get someone else to do it?  That&#039;s what the City&#039;s response sounds like:

 &quot;We don&#039;t own our utility poles, so they won&#039;t pick us.&quot; 

&quot;We can&#039;t facilitate between utilities, so they won&#039;t pick us.&quot; 

 &quot;We don&#039;t know the specifics of the plan, so they won&#039;t pick us.&quot; 

&quot;We don&#039;t like to pick sides, so we can&#039;t do it. Someone might be unhappy if we do!&quot;

 &quot;Why don&#039;t you do it!&quot;

Does the community have a clear economic development plan?  I don&#039;t mean goals and ideals.  A real plan.  With solid, measurable objectives.  Short term and long term.  Given the City&#039;s report card from last year where economic development was the sole negative of all the City&#039;s measures, I would say &quot;probably not.&quot;  Perhaps I am wrong .  I hope so.  Perhaps we have identified opportunities and this one just didn&#039;t fit into the long term objectives of that plan.  If so, please say so. 

If that is not the case, I fear that the City is waiting to see what flies by, trying to catch it with chopsticks, and saying &quot;oh well&quot; when the opportunity escapes. That is really no plan at all. 

I think  the EV project is a fine project, but it is ONE project.  How many  jobs will it generate?  How much additional tax revenue for the state/county/city?   We need economic diversity in this community and soon.  

I like to say that livability begins with a good job.  Corvallis isn&#039;t very good at developing those right now.  We need to do better and just take a chance sometimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you ever heard someone talk themselves out of something and get someone else to do it?  That&#8217;s what the City&#8217;s response sounds like:</p>
<p> &#8220;We don&#8217;t own our utility poles, so they won&#8217;t pick us.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;We can&#8217;t facilitate between utilities, so they won&#8217;t pick us.&#8221; </p>
<p> &#8220;We don&#8217;t know the specifics of the plan, so they won&#8217;t pick us.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;We don&#8217;t like to pick sides, so we can&#8217;t do it. Someone might be unhappy if we do!&#8221;</p>
<p> &#8220;Why don&#8217;t you do it!&#8221;</p>
<p>Does the community have a clear economic development plan?  I don&#8217;t mean goals and ideals.  A real plan.  With solid, measurable objectives.  Short term and long term.  Given the City&#8217;s report card from last year where economic development was the sole negative of all the City&#8217;s measures, I would say &#8220;probably not.&#8221;  Perhaps I am wrong .  I hope so.  Perhaps we have identified opportunities and this one just didn&#8217;t fit into the long term objectives of that plan.  If so, please say so. </p>
<p>If that is not the case, I fear that the City is waiting to see what flies by, trying to catch it with chopsticks, and saying &#8220;oh well&#8221; when the opportunity escapes. That is really no plan at all. </p>
<p>I think  the EV project is a fine project, but it is ONE project.  How many  jobs will it generate?  How much additional tax revenue for the state/county/city?   We need economic diversity in this community and soon.  </p>
<p>I like to say that livability begins with a good job.  Corvallis isn&#8217;t very good at developing those right now.  We need to do better and just take a chance sometimes.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Katherine

Who said re-naming their city (which is not really anything big as nobody will actually refer it to Google, Kansas unless they&#039;re trying to get the PR) will help their efforts at all? I don&#039;t remember reading anything about it being a &quot;who can do the wildest thing for us?&quot; contest.

Corvallis would be a wonderful place to demo such an infrastructure due to its geographical location in relation to major fiber runs currently in place. As Jason pointed out above, we also host the OSL which could benefit a bit from extra fiber. But, as most of you have pointed out, the city would rather spit out the typical FUD than actually consider what could possibly benefit its citizens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Katherine</p>
<p>Who said re-naming their city (which is not really anything big as nobody will actually refer it to Google, Kansas unless they&#8217;re trying to get the PR) will help their efforts at all? I don&#8217;t remember reading anything about it being a &#8220;who can do the wildest thing for us?&#8221; contest.</p>
<p>Corvallis would be a wonderful place to demo such an infrastructure due to its geographical location in relation to major fiber runs currently in place. As Jason pointed out above, we also host the OSL which could benefit a bit from extra fiber. But, as most of you have pointed out, the city would rather spit out the typical FUD than actually consider what could possibly benefit its citizens.</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 17:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Topeka wanted Google so badly it passed a resolution to rename the town Google for the month.  If that&#039;s what it would take, then I&#039;d have to concur, its not a match.  The part of the City response that convinced me was the assumption that the city would have access to the conduits, and Corvallis doesn&#039;t.  Trying to broker that could be a real challenge, and perhaps in the RFP that was make or break.  In any case,   I don&#039;t ever see Corvallis going to the efforts that Topeka is to get the Google win...so maybe its not a match.  Disappointing, but a realistic conclusion to use limited resources appropriately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Topeka wanted Google so badly it passed a resolution to rename the town Google for the month.  If that&#8217;s what it would take, then I&#8217;d have to concur, its not a match.  The part of the City response that convinced me was the assumption that the city would have access to the conduits, and Corvallis doesn&#8217;t.  Trying to broker that could be a real challenge, and perhaps in the RFP that was make or break.  In any case,   I don&#8217;t ever see Corvallis going to the efforts that Topeka is to get the Google win&#8230;so maybe its not a match.  Disappointing, but a realistic conclusion to use limited resources appropriately.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Ford</title>
		<link>http://www.welovecorvallis.com/2010/02/googles-hi-speed-internet-fiber-optic-trial-in-corvallis/comment-page-1/#comment-1022</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Ford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 04:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the city response is rational, predictable, reasonable and the thought of a very good city staffer. We can&#039;t do it all folks and it gets old going fishing and never catching any fish.  We can&#039;t be everywhere, doing everthing for everyone at all times and full bore. 

I support the Corvallis and Benton County efforts to go for it but that is me, my style and my unbridled optimism speaking.  I didn&#039;t read the RFI and don&#039;t have the background to know the ins and outs of what the city would have to go through to create a &quot;competitive&quot; response. FUD it may be but in this case I think just the word GOOGLE causes the imagination to run wild.  Sometimes it is good to pause and take a breath.  I am disappointed but not surprised and after reflection can live with the response or should I say, &quot;lack of it!&quot;

Now what about working toward a great EV Project as Corvallis was designated as one of 11 cities in the USA to participate in the effort to launch the totally electric vehicle fleet! Lets make sure our participation is so outstanding that the world stands up and takes notice as Oregon is one of 5 states participating!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the city response is rational, predictable, reasonable and the thought of a very good city staffer. We can&#8217;t do it all folks and it gets old going fishing and never catching any fish.  We can&#8217;t be everywhere, doing everthing for everyone at all times and full bore. </p>
<p>I support the Corvallis and Benton County efforts to go for it but that is me, my style and my unbridled optimism speaking.  I didn&#8217;t read the RFI and don&#8217;t have the background to know the ins and outs of what the city would have to go through to create a &#8220;competitive&#8221; response. FUD it may be but in this case I think just the word GOOGLE causes the imagination to run wild.  Sometimes it is good to pause and take a breath.  I am disappointed but not surprised and after reflection can live with the response or should I say, &#8220;lack of it!&#8221;</p>
<p>Now what about working toward a great EV Project as Corvallis was designated as one of 11 cities in the USA to participate in the effort to launch the totally electric vehicle fleet! Lets make sure our participation is so outstanding that the world stands up and takes notice as Oregon is one of 5 states participating!</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 01:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Loyan. I read the rationale and thought that someone figured they knew what Google really wants and based on that the chances of being selected were low and so why bother to do the work needed...  Isn&#039;t a better approach to have thought about what a shot in the arm it would be for Corvallis and assembled a team of knowledgable people who are excited about it and invited that quality team to respond to the RFI?  The FUD factor probably is at play as well! I&#039;m disappointed we didn&#039;t even try...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Loyan. I read the rationale and thought that someone figured they knew what Google really wants and based on that the chances of being selected were low and so why bother to do the work needed&#8230;  Isn&#8217;t a better approach to have thought about what a shot in the arm it would be for Corvallis and assembled a team of knowledgable people who are excited about it and invited that quality team to respond to the RFI?  The FUD factor probably is at play as well! I&#8217;m disappointed we didn&#8217;t even try&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 00:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems like we would have a great shot at this considering the OSL is here.  Seems like there would be a lot of free goodwill to the OpenSource community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems like we would have a great shot at this considering the OSL is here.  Seems like there would be a lot of free goodwill to the OpenSource community.</p>
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		<title>By: Loyan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loyan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 22:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me, it reads like a big list of excuse for not doing something outside of a regular daily task list. 

Getting the attention of a big partner may take some extra effort and work. People may have to go out of their way to make it happen. Some folks are up for that condition. Some folks even thrive in it. Some folks don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me, it reads like a big list of excuse for not doing something outside of a regular daily task list. </p>
<p>Getting the attention of a big partner may take some extra effort and work. People may have to go out of their way to make it happen. Some folks are up for that condition. Some folks even thrive in it. Some folks don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Nordyke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Nordyke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 21:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd Cleland, a fellow board member at the Boys and Girls Club of Corvallis, recently introduced me to the HP term, FUD. FUD is short for Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. 

I see FUD in the City&#039;s memo. 

Can we afford as a community to make decisions or commit to inaction because of fear, uncertainty or doubt?

Seems like a pretty regressive stance. Disappointed. 

Thanks to the creator of the facebook group and the 336 local individuals in support! Maybe there is still hope to build some steam and show Google there&#039;s a passionate community eager to partner with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd Cleland, a fellow board member at the Boys and Girls Club of Corvallis, recently introduced me to the HP term, FUD. FUD is short for Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. </p>
<p>I see FUD in the City&#8217;s memo. </p>
<p>Can we afford as a community to make decisions or commit to inaction because of fear, uncertainty or doubt?</p>
<p>Seems like a pretty regressive stance. Disappointed. </p>
<p>Thanks to the creator of the facebook group and the 336 local individuals in support! Maybe there is still hope to build some steam and show Google there&#8217;s a passionate community eager to partner with them.</p>
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